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| The animation looked pretty sub-par on some of this episodes scenes. Hopefully the rest of the series doesn't suffer from even more of a quality drop. |
SaintEmiya said: I think the majority of "salty people" do enjoy the anime, it's just that it could have been EASILY improved with just some changes here and there. Which makes it all the more bitter that it doesn't quite do the V/N justice. I think it was easier to cope with DEEN's adaptation because there was just SO MUCH wrong with it that it couldn't have been fixed unless it completely started again. I think the problem is that they nitpick too much, I read all the VN and while I'm bothered by some changes I don't get all bothered because it's not a 100% adaptation In fact from the beginning I always knew it couldn't be a 100% adaptation because 1) no fate route means essentially that some things were going to be merged for casuals to understand 2) Obvious references they would do to try to link with Fate/Zero 3) Inability to pass every internal monologue Shirou has to the TV |
GARBrotato said: ANGRY2011 said: No wait I swear there was something that was close to similar/same war not too long ago. Dammit I forgot which episode/thread <.<Lol. I dunno. I'm still not a part of the legion of salt. Things have pretty much gone exactly as expected. I don't think we're quite down to the SAME/SIMILAR war levels in here yet. Uhh... Hey in episode 13 thread we argued for well over 600 posts about Shirou tripping. nitpicking at it's finest |
Epicenter said: Anyways I should get to eating dinner and doing things, this convo is getting insulting and honestly I think whatever is in the VN is too deeply rooted within you to see Saber in her anime light, or your Saber love from the VN is making you act much differently than you do normally considering how uncivil you're being. Have a good time though. You know that Rin could call Saber at any moment with the CS right ? O.o |
ZeroDragon said: Well it might as well be the same as the same/similar war. Goddammit. GARBrotato said: No wait I swear there was something that was close to similar/same war not too long ago. Dammit I forgot which episode/thread <.< Uhh... Hey in episode 13 thread we argued for well over 600 posts about Shirou tripping. Ohhhhhhh, I almost forgot about that. Ha. Good times. |
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| dont forget about 2 months of fighting over taiga napping.... |
| Wait I just remembered, last week most of what was discussed was how UfoWorks is just like DEENight. |
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GARBrotato said: No wait I swear there was something that was close to similar/same war not too long ago. Dammit I forgot which episode/thread <.< Uhh... Hey in episode 13 thread we argued for well over 600 posts about Shirou tripping. Don't forget how in episode 13 we also argued whether Rin "pushed" or "kicked and violently abused" Shirou. |
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Grey-Zone said: that was nothing compared to shirou tripping, that caried on across 3 threads, the club for like 3 days.....GARBrotato said: No wait I swear there was something that was close to similar/same war not too long ago. Dammit I forgot which episode/thread <.< Uhh... Hey in episode 13 thread we argued for well over 600 posts about Shirou tripping. Don't forget how in episode 13 we also argued whether Rin "pushed" or "kicked and violently abused" Shirou. |
GARBrotato said: -kV- said: DEEN screwed it up actually Hope Ufo tops it. Despite that discrepancy, the way it was shown in the movie was pretty awesome with EMIYA coming in then. Maloghurst said: -. Where the hell is his body armor and cloak? these are all things he aquired in his lifetime, he should have these things by the time he makes his deal. the CG scene even shows him without his signature cloak that doesnt make sense. at least show him with these things at a point before he dies if your gonna do flashbacks. i was dissapointed that all they showed Archer doing during his work as the counterforce was killing terrorists and rebels. so what this anime is telling me that these terrorist cells are on the same threat league as Murder of the Primates? I have a really hard time buying that Alaya would deploy it's emissaries for something this small unless these terrorists were a part of something much more threatening. it would have been neat to show Archer fighting some of these "Angra Mainyu" type demons or even a Dead Apostle Ancestor . Yeah, I don't care as much about the hair and skin color, but I was wondering where his cloak went. And yeah, I can somewhat understand placing Archer to kill thousands of 'regular' humans as a Guardian, but yeah, ISIS operatives don't exactly require somebody like Archer. -Saber's finaly getting characterisation...a bit late and seems mildly forced. mainly because they didnt capatilise on those couple other scenes from the first cour. granted it's UBW so she's a side character. but when things such as "anime original" content is likely a thing i would think that giving saber compensation besides just wanking her to make up for the lack of a Saber adaptation. Probably my main gripe with the Saber scenes. I love the addition of them, but I wished there were hints and bits thrown in the first cour to not make this a flashback thrown in there without having Shirou the chance to react to it before dealing with Archer. Hopefully, the episode after the next one will have a Saber/Shirou conversation about it. -seems like lancer got screwed her in more ways than one. they cut a couple of lancer scenes out which gave him more character, it makes it more beleivable for Saber to trust him aside from knowing his identity. with all the "unlimited flashback works" they've been doing i thought we might get a little lancer flashback...though this may very well happen next episode especially if The Answer is gonna take up 2 episodes like the rumors suggest. I was hoping we'd get scenes of Lancer trolling Saber, but unfortunately that didn't happen. But a Lancer flashback would be great. Or maybe a flashback scene of Bazett & Lancer before Kirei comes in. Then again, I don't want to see a nonstop flashback session. |
| Anyone wondering about Archer's mantle here is something I found in F/HA about it: http://i.imgur.com/TdeZw3F.jpg |
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-kV- said: uh i hate to remind you....but...well...it should only really keep up through the following episode....Then again, I don't want to see a nonstop flashback session. |
Btw I think that looks wise, they should have had this archer from the first OP for Shirou's looks when making the contract with Alaya.  Basically Archer but more boyish. TBH I think Archer in that pic looks even better than Lancer :L. |
SaintEmiya said: that's how he looked upon his death.as far as making the deal goes as i understood it he made his deal sometime before which is why i was wondering why we didnt get a "50/50" plus it would be a little jarring to see him suddenly go full white haired.Btw I think that looks wise, they should have had this archer from the first OP for Shirou's looks when making the contract with Alaya. Basically Archer but more boyish. TBH I think Archer in that pic looks even better than Lancer :L. |
Maloghurst said: SaintEmiya said: that's how he looked upon his death.as far as making the deal goes as i understood it he made his deal sometime before which is why i was wondering why we didnt get a "50/50" plus it would be a little jarring to see him suddenly go full white haired.Btw I think that looks wise, they should have had this archer from the first OP for Shirou's looks when making the contract with Alaya. Basically Archer but more boyish. TBH I think Archer in that pic looks even better than Lancer :L. Ehhhh I get you. I still think that version of ARcher/Shirou is totally awesome though, would have loved to see more of it. |
SaintEmiya said: we might still see it during the next episode. there is still more flashbacks to come. a fair amount more.Ehhhh I get you. I still think that version of ARcher/Shirou is totally awesome though, would have loved to see more of it. |
Maloghurst said: at this point The Answer is gonna feel rather 1 sided. case and point: drama_menck said: Excellent episode, finally is revealed the Heroic Spirit Emiya, Archer is in my opinion is character a much superior to Shirou, who remains imprisoned in his convictions without using logic minimum, I only feel anger of Shirou |
| all other archers pale in comparison. |
| sorry but in my honest opinion this episode was really boring... but looking forward to the next episode that has contain the actions.. |
Got something to live for, I know that I won't surrender, A warrior of youth, I'm taking over, a shot to the new world order I Am Bulletproof. . .  |
| Finally, he thoroughly unveiled who he is, Emiya was great this episode too! That saber flashback, lol, and Rins dad death, who would have EVER KNOWN. |
MostRealArcher said: And your sig.Maloghurst said: at this point The Answer is gonna feel rather 1 sided. case and point: drama_menck said: Excellent episode, finally is revealed the Heroic Spirit Emiya, Archer is in my opinion is character a much superior to Shirou, who remains imprisoned in his convictions without using logic minimum, I only feel anger of Shirou DeadZeroSource said: Don't get your hopes up too much, the action will be underwhelming.sorry but in my honest opinion this episode was really boring... but looking forward to the next episode that has contain the actions.. |
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| Fucking best bro Lancer, otherwise quite meh. |
| Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate, but I noticed that people were talking about the red/white hair thing. Archer made the contract with Alaya before he died, so he has plenty of time to overuse projection before he kicks the bucket. Nothing wrong there. About the episode, I found the scenes changing between Lancer and Archer vs Shirou to be a bit jarring. Kotomine appears and then they switch to Archer. Archer throws the sword, switch to Lancer. It feels cobbled up to me. Everything else in the episode was spot-on, and EMIYA 2015 is as great as I could've wished it to be. I'll go for a 4/5 this time~ |
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ANGRY2011 said: Oh, I'm sure the salty people don't watch it with nothing but pure rage. If they do, I'd recommend they seek help. Oh, my, no. I watched through every episode S2 laughing because of how the anime exceeded my expectation with each episode. After that I eagerly visit various forums to see how people justify the absolutely incomprehensible decisions they have made (which happens to be nearly every episode since EP12. GARBrotato said: Don't get your hopes up too much, the action will be underwhelming. Well the fact that Shirou takes part of it automatically makes it underwelming because no way in hell they'd use budget on him. Can't wait to see the next episode. |
| [ GARBrotato said: DeadZeroSource said: sorry but in my honest opinion this episode was really boring... but looking forward to the next episode that has contain the actions.. sorry before I watched this episode I was already expecting the fight between Shirou and Archer... Maloghurst said: for the actions i suggest no filler bleach. some yu yu hakusho, Saiyuki or even Baki the grappler. thanks for the suggestions but I already watched all those animes you recommended :) |
Got something to live for, I know that I won't surrender, A warrior of youth, I'm taking over, a shot to the new world order I Am Bulletproof. . . |
| Archer's conversation with Shirou wouldn't have been so boring if they didn't repeat the same things over and over..It was just so dragged out. I feel they're stretching it to make it fit the episode count. |
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Yatsura said: Archer's conversation with Shirou wouldn't have been so boring if they didn't repeat the same things over and over..It was just so dragged out. I feel they're stretching it to make it fit the episode count. Pretty much how it was in the VN. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20216/ It's a clash of ideals, too bad we don't know much about what Shirou thinks. |
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Yatsura said: Archer's conversation with Shirou wouldn't have been so boring if they didn't repeat the same things over and over..It was just so dragged out. I feel they're stretching it to make it fit the episode count. I agree-gree |
Got something to live for, I know that I won't surrender, A warrior of youth, I'm taking over, a shot to the new world order I Am Bulletproof. . . |
DeadZeroSource said: [ GARBrotato said: sorry before I watched this episode I was already expecting the fight between Shirou and Archer... thanks for the suggestions but I already watched all those animes you recommended :) Boku no Pico is always a solid pick, if you haven't watched it already. Yatsura said: Archer's conversation with Shirou wouldn't have been so boring if they didn't repeat the same things over and over..It was just so dragged out. I feel they're stretching it to make it fit the episode count. Yeah, it was dragged out a bit, but I found it bearable, mostly because while he was talking about the same thing again, we get more tidbits of info in every monologue. Say, we now have the nuclear facility, the "do not want to see people cry" line, and the real reason why he's hell-bent on knifing Shirou. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate 14 pages of hate. 14 pages of hate. Pages of hate. Pa.Ges.. of.. HATE... HATE... hAtE... HaTe... WHy???? So... MUCH... hatred... This adaptation is WOrSE than DEEN. This adaptation is AMAzING. NoooOOOO it's NOT... YES it is.... NOOOOO. YESSSSS. NOOOOOO. YESSSS. Best adaptation ever. Worst adaptation ever. Salt. Hype. SaLt. HyPe. SALT. HYPE. WHYYYYY??? |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate, but I noticed that people were talking about the red/white hair thing. Archer made the contract with Alaya before he died, so he has plenty of time to overuse projection before he kicks the bucket. Nothing wrong there. About the episode, I found the scenes changing between Lancer and Archer vs Shirou to be a bit jarring. Kotomine appears and then they switch to Archer. Archer throws the sword, switch to Lancer. It feels cobbled up to me. Everything else in the episode was spot-on, and EMIYA 2015 is as great as I could've wished it to be. I'll go for a 4/5 this time~ Wasn't that much hate actually this time around :L |
ZeroDragon said: I swear reading this was almost as creepy as reading that one page in the VN from HF....OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate 14 pages of hate. 14 pages of hate. Pages of hate. Pa.Ges.. of.. HATE... HATE... hAtE... HaTe... WHy???? So... MUCH... hatred... This adaptation is WOrSE than DEEN. This adaptation is AMAzING. NoooOOOO it's NOT... YES it is.... NOOOOO. YESSSSS. NOOOOOO. YESSSS. Best adaptation ever. Worst adaptation ever. Salt. Hype. SaLt. HyPe. SALT. HYPE. WHYYYYY??? |
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ZeroDragon said: OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate Salt. Hype. SaLt. HyPe. SALT. HYPE. WHYYYYY??? HYPE! WE MUST HYPE MORE TO EQUALISE THE SALT!!! |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate, but I noticed that people were talking about the red/white hair thing. Archer made the contract with Alaya before he died, so he has plenty of time to overuse projection before he kicks the bucket. Nothing wrong there. About the episode, I found the scenes changing between Lancer and Archer vs Shirou to be a bit jarring. Kotomine appears and then they switch to Archer. Archer throws the sword, switch to Lancer. It feels cobbled up to me. Everything else in the episode was spot-on, and EMIYA 2015 is as great as I could've wished it to be. I'll go for a 4/5 this time~ On a rewatch, i realized how much the intended shock from Lancer's death scene horribly overshadowed the Shirou/Archer final confrontation. They didn't even give the scene the room to breathe before giving Shirou's respond and ending the episode immediately. |
DeadZeroSource said: hm, did you see Zoids, chaotic century? irc there is also a series called Air master that's suppose to be fun. fist of the north star, the original dragon ball is a goldie. Moble suit gundam, lets throw out there some outlaw starthanks for the suggestions but I already watched all those animes you recommended :) |
SaintEmiya said: OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate, but I noticed that people were talking about the red/white hair thing. Archer made the contract with Alaya before he died, so he has plenty of time to overuse projection before he kicks the bucket. Nothing wrong there. About the episode, I found the scenes changing between Lancer and Archer vs Shirou to be a bit jarring. Kotomine appears and then they switch to Archer. Archer throws the sword, switch to Lancer. It feels cobbled up to me. Everything else in the episode was spot-on, and EMIYA 2015 is as great as I could've wished it to be. I'll go for a 4/5 this time~ Wasn't that much hate actually this time around :L Which is why I actually bothered to log on this time. Most of the time nowadays I avoid UBW sub-forum, because of how toxic it is. I swear this place is becoming more and more like BL, only without the fanfics -_- |
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GARBrotato said: or like every route of tsukihime.....ZeroDragon said: I swear reading this was almost as creepy as reading that one page in the VN from HF....14 pages of hate. 14 pages of hate. Pages of hate. Pa.Ges.. of.. HATE... HATE... hAtE... HaTe... WHy???? So... MUCH... hatred... This adaptation is WOrSE than DEEN. This adaptation is AMAzING. NoooOOOO it's NOT... YES it is.... NOOOOO. YESSSSS. NOOOOOO. YESSSS. Best adaptation ever. Worst adaptation ever. Salt. Hype. SaLt. HyPe. SALT. HYPE. WHYYYYY??? |
| That Saber flashback was awesome, late though it may be~ And ooooooooooohhhhhh, SOME ARCHER FLASHBACKS TOO! Poor Rin. Father is so merciless at times, but I guess that's what makes people love/hate him. Oh, oh, and we also got to hear epic EMIYA theme at long last~ Next episode's gonna be totally epic~ ...ah, am I forgetting something? ... ........ ..........................................oh yea ;_; k0k0 said: ririchiyomika said: NOOOOOO LANCER CU CHU LAINNNNNNNNN NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY YOU DO THIS THIS IS BOLLOCKS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  You summed it up for me. *hugs* O- only... Only two words can describe this for me: LANCER DIED YOOOOUUUU MOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNSSSSNNNNNSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSS |
CarenPriestessMay 16, 2015 8:47 PM
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CarenPriest said: k0k0 said: You summed it up for me. *hugs* O- only... Only two words can describe this for me: LANCER DIED YOU MOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNSSSSNNNNNSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSS RIP Brolancer. You were a true bro 'till the end. But ugh, Lancer died. >_< UBW spoilers |
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OneTrueEmiya said: SaintEmiya said: Wasn't that much hate actually this time around :L Which is why I actually bothered to log on this time. Most of the time nowadays I avoid UBW sub-forum, because of how toxic it is. I swear this place is becoming more and more like BL, only without the fanfics -_- I agree. Had many time that I don't commented or read threads here. |
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GradationAir said: ANGRY2011 said: Oh, I'm sure the salty people don't watch it with nothing but pure rage. If they do, I'd recommend they seek help. Oh, my, no. I watched through every episode S2 laughing because of how the anime exceeded my expectation with each episode. After that I eagerly visit various forums to see how people justify the absolutely incomprehensible decisions they have made (which happens to be nearly every episode since EP12. See, there ya go. Take what you can get from the experience, and escape with your mental health. |
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CookingPriest said: mira-nyan said: Grown-up Shirou ~.~ why white skin Why red hair -_- This will make people think archer got his powers from alaya instead of mastering them -_- Yeah. Something about them being a by-product of excessive reality marble (projection) usage, therefore he became like that before dying and becoming a heroic spirit, not after. Even the Archer from Fate/Extra (who's supposed to be someone other than Shiro) also had white hair and dark skin before he became a counter guardian. Maybe it will be corrected on the BD release. Not a big deal, but you'd think ufotable would pay a little more attention to detail on these things. |
OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate, but I noticed that people were talking about the red/white hair thing. Archer made the contract with Alaya before he died, so he has plenty of time to overuse projection before he kicks the bucket. Nothing wrong there. I also thought the same thing at first, since the image of the gallows is shown how and when he actually died later on, and it's implied he didn't die at that water facility where he made the pact. Still, he should've looked older at that point... So he outta been depicted looking taller, more toned, with greying hair and waning eyes. It's about the ambiance. The tech on that water facility looked to be like a good decade or so into the future too, so it makes it confusing him being shown like he's still in his early 20's, where in fact he should be older than that at that point. |
Genix said: CookingPriest said: why white skin Why red hair -_- This will make people think archer got his powers from alaya instead of mastering them -_- Yeah. Something about them being a by-product of excessive reality marble (projection) usage, therefore he became like that before dying and becoming a heroic spirit, not after. Even the Archer from Fate/Extra (who's supposed to be someone other than Shiro) also had white hair and dark skin before he became a counter guardian. Maybe it will be corrected on the BD release. Not a big deal, but you'd think ufotable would pay a little more attention to detail on these things. I do believe I've addressed this, but oh whatever. His contract and his death doesn't have to happen at the same time. He has plenty of time to turn dark and bleach his hear white after his wish for a miracle. It's never said when he contracted with Alaya, so it could might as well be years after this incident that he dies. EDIT: Genix said: OneTrueEmiya said: Alright, not going to trawl through the 14 pages of hate, but I noticed that people were talking about the red/white hair thing. Archer made the contract with Alaya before he died, so he has plenty of time to overuse projection before he kicks the bucket. Nothing wrong there. I also thought the same thing at first, since the image of the gallows is shown how and when he actually died later on, and it's implied he didn't die at that water facility where he made the pact. Still, he should've looked older at that point... So he outta been depicted looking taller, more toned, with greying hair and waning eyes. It's about the ambiance. The tech on that water facility looked to be like a good decade or so into the future too, so it makes it confusing him being shown like he's still in his early 20's, where in fact he should be older than that at that point. IDK about that. The nuclear facility is exactly that: a nuclear facility, only with more lights. It's not that high-tech. Besides, Archer probably dies around his 30s, and this Shirou is early 20s, which explains why his skin tone hasn't darkened yet. We didn't see how tall he was, actually, since it was a partial body shot. He could've been at 187cm at that point, but we wouldn't know. |
OneTrueEmiyaMay 16, 2015 9:10 PM
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| We do know roughly when he did though: Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Servants, p.133 Q: Around what age did Archer (Emiya Shirou) form a contract with the World as a Guardian? A: From his late twenties to early thirties. Seems like his body should already be showing signs of projection use if they're following this. I think they've clearly altered the age in the anime though. |
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| Shirou: Archer, do you regret having been hyped? Archer: Of course I do. All the hype before backfired and made me salty! Shirou: I see then you and I are different people after all. Archer: What? Shirou: Because no matter what happens, I will never regret being hyped! If you say hyped people will definitly turn salty over time, then I will destroy that mistaken belief by myself! Archer: That way of thinking is where all of this started. One day you will reach the point where the hype dissipates and you turn salty as well. Shirou: I won't. That day will never come. Archer: That's true. I suppose it won't. At least in the salt club you have no future because I just delete your comments... to be continued... |
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| We can't go a single episode of anime without tentacles and sexual harassment... |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Genix said: I also thought the same thing at first, since the image of the gallows is shown how and when he actually died later on, and it's implied he didn't die at that water facility where he made the pact. Still, he should've looked older at that point... So he outta been depicted looking taller, more toned, with greying hair and waning eyes. It's about the ambiance. The tech on that water facility looked to be like a good decade or so into the future too, so it makes it confusing him being shown like he's still in his early 20's, where in fact he should be older than that at that point. Well Nasu said that Emiya made that contract when he was between mid 20's to 30's. He looks younger. Not to mention some are forgetting why he made the contract? That was a very dumb mistake. Also personal rant, where is that awesome red coat? White cloak>Red coat. js. :) |
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