California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

Personally, I want to go back to traditional marriage. One white man and one white woman. Damn activist courts have changed the definition.

I say if a Gay couple wants to get married, than that is their choice. If they have a strong enough love where they want to be united in Marriage, then they should be allowed that right. I wonder if in some states gay couples are even allowed to have their partner be their sole heir or be included on their health insurance, or be a benefactor or whatever.
Once they allowed Marriage of Gay couples in Iowa, I know a great deal of people in my home state of Nebraska crossed over the Missouri River to get married.

I find it funny that the same people that don't have a problem with the discrimination of gays are some of the ones that get the most up in arms when it's their rights that are being trampled upon. It's kind of hypocritical, but I also guess it's easier to look the other way when things don't effect you. Of course those people will also bitch that nobody else is standing with them when their rights are the one at stake. It's kind of ironic when you really think about it.

Red Spyder said:

Regardless of what your position is on this or anything else, if 9 men and women in black robes are just going to decide to do the opposite of what the people chose, why bother to have elections?

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I could counter that by saying if the majority of men and women in black robes are just going to do decide to do what the majority of the people want, why bother having a court, or independent judiciary? I suppose if tomorrow the Supreme Court ruled the Second Amendment didn't guarantee a right to be armed or they took away the right of free religion and 70% of the country went along with that you wouldn't have any problem with that ruling now would you? By your way of thining you shouldn't.

Their job is to enforce the constitution, not do what the majority wants. The public's or politician's current opinion of the day definitely does not come above the Constitution or human rights.




Being allowed to get married is a human right, and even if for some stupid reason you don't think it is, being treated the same under the law as people that can be married IS definitely a human right.

If gays are allowed to marry will that effect the traditional marriage in any way?...nope

If gays are allowed to marry will heterosexual people suddenly not be allowed to marry?...nope

Will heterosexual marriages be the same as before?...yes

If gays are allowed to marry will heterosexual marriages suddenly be treated differently under the law?...I highly doubt it.

If gays are allowed to marry will churches and or religious places be forced to marry gays?...extremely doubtful

If gays are allowed to marry will some magical corruption pixie come and make all the children out there gay and have all the gayness magically rub off on everybody else in the country?...No, that's laughably ridiculous.

I will also say that whether being a homosexual is genetic, comes from environmental factors or how one is nurtured, or is some combination of the above is absolutely, positively, completely irrelevant to how they should be treated under the law. Denying somebody equal rights because of what amounts to tradition is pretty stupid. I haven't heard a single valid or even remotely reasonable excuse as to why they shouldn't have equal rights, not on this board, not anywhere. For the record I also say that as a person that generally doesn't really like gays (gay men anyhow) or at least people that are very open about it. I don't hate them by any means, but I don't like the gay culture, and I don't want to hang out with them so I'm not saying this for anything other than my objective look on what their human rights should be.

Gay folks should havet he same rights to be unhappy and hardly ever have sex, just like the rest of the married world.

This is one of those "whats the big deal" issues, that I never really got.

Marriage, from a legal standpoint, is beneficial to those involved. Why not give everyone these privelages? Would it kill you?

I just.... don't understand people some times.

TwatDetective said:

Personally, I want to go back to traditional marriage. One white man and one white woman. Damn activist courts have changed the definition.

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You are way too liberal. It should be only white man who own property should be allowed to marry a white women from a respectable family.

Some people in this thread have said marriage should only be something between a man and a woman. Can anybody give me a well thought out argument (apart from tradition or religion) for this kind of thinking? How does a gay couple getting married affect society or you as a person in a negative way? And if you can't come up with a well thought argument against gay marriage why are you still against it? And again, leave tradition and religion out of it because that's just blindly following the hurd.

I'm all in favor of gay marriage as long as both women are hot.

ChefChiTown said:

For example, I'm not allowed to drink a beer in my own front yard, because I can get arrested for breaking my city's open container law and for being drunk in public.

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Wow....I'd be public-enemy #1 in your town :1orglaugh (Cleveland? Come on!).

Once upon a time (and not all that long ago), it was legal to drink and drive in Texas. You could actually suck down a brewski while driving down the freeway as long as you weren't drunk!!! Times have changed but not to the point where I can't chug a beer in my own front yard!!

Now THAT'S government intrusion at its worst! Let gays marry. I'll drink to that!

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Well in all this kerfuffle about gay mawaige aren't we all avoiding, deliberately or otherwise, the real important issue. Who carries who over the threshold!!

Jagger69 said:

Wow....I'd be public-enemy #1 in your town :1orglaugh (Cleveland? Come on!).

Once upon a time (and not all that long ago), it was legal to drink and drive in Texas. You could actually suck down a brewski while driving down the freeway as long as you weren't drunk!!! Times have changed but not to the point where I can't chug a beer in my own front yard!!

Now THAT'S government intrusion at its worst! Let gays marry. I'll drink to that!

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A few years ago, one of my friends stopped by and we were standing in my front yard for a bit, just talking. I was drinking a beer at the time, so I had it in my hand the whole time we were talking. About 20 minutes went by and a police officer pulled up in front of my house. He got out of his car, asked what I was drinking, blah blah blah. I told him I was drinking a Guinness and even showed him the bottle. He made me go back in the house until I was finished drinking it. Why, you ask?

One of my neighbors called and said I was drinking outside, so a police officer was sent because they had to respond to the complaint. When the officer showed up, he told me that I wasn't allowed to drink, and I quote, "in public", so he made me go inside with my beer. Even though I was in MY front yard, on PRIVATE property which my family owns, I still could've been ticketed for "drunk in public" and "open container" if I hadn't gone inside.

FYI - The cop wasn't being a dick. He knew it was stupid, but he had to respond to the complaint, so he just did his job...even though he knew it was stupid.

Boothbabe said:

How does a gay couple getting married affect society or you as a person in a negative way? And if you can't come up with a well thought argument against gay marriage why are you still against it? And again, leave tradition and religion out of it because that's just blindly following the hurd.

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Herd

I guess if you lump every person of faith together maybe it would be, but it's not a herd mentality. You have to choose to follow a faith.

Not like people without faith who will follow anything, but a faith.

There's always other countries to move to. People don't have to live in America.

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Will E Worm said:

Herd

I guess if you lump every person of faith together maybe it would be, but it's not a herd mentality. You have to choose to follow a faith.

Not like people without faith who will follow anything, but a faith.

There's always other countries to move to. People don't have to live in America.

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Or people here can just grow-up and stop believing in a imaginary guy in the sky who if you don't believe him then you will burn in hell forever yet he loves you.

Jason z said:

Or people here can just grow-up and stop believing in a imaginary guy in the sky who if you don't believe him then you will burn in heaven forever yet he loves you.

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We could all "grow-up" and just agree to disagree.

Who said God loves everyone?

Will E Worm said:

We could all "grow-up" and just agree to disagree.

Who said God loves everyone?

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Who say's there is a fucking god? Don't let your religion get in the way of my rights. That is bullshit and that is what it comes down to. Like most gay's want to get married in a church.

Jason z said:

Who say's there is a fucking god? Don't let your religion get in the way of my rights. That is bullshit and that is what it comes down to. Like most gay's want to get married in a church.

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Well, where do you think they took Creator endowed rights from?

Marriage isn't a right. It is something that people with faith do.
The government just adopted the practice.

some denominations have no objection to gays, in general, or gay marriages. why can't those denominations marry gays?

Will E Worm said:

Herd

I guess if you lump every person of faith together maybe it would be, but it's not a herd mentality. You have to choose to follow a faith.

Not like people without faith who will follow anything, but a faith.

There's always other countries to move to. People don't have to live in America.

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What about the parents who raise their kids from an early age to follow their faith? That's not a choice. Nothing wrong with It, I don't think, but still, it kind of removes the idea of there even being a choice to begin with, at least in that lil kid's mind. You know?

I dissagree. I think there is something of a herd mentallity. I also dissagree with how you say "people without a faith [I'm assuming you meant in 'god' or some form of higher power] will follow anything, but a faith." Maybe, for some people. I think it's good to think we don't know... it KEEPS us thinking. And thinking is always good.

Being set in something so earthly as organized religion.... just seems like you're closing your mind like a book, right at the most interestings chapters about spirituality, and "what-if"


People don't have to live in America, no. But if you ask me, America could do with a dose of compassion and understanding. And much less "god is watching us, hallelujia. We win!" Faith should be a private thing, and the founding fathers had the right idea, seperating it from the ideas of how this country should be run.

And just as I thought no one has been able to answer my question.

skechers said:

What about the parents who raise their kids from an early age to follow their faith? That's not a choice. Nothing wrong with It, I don't think, but still, it kind of removes the idea of there even being a choice to begin with, at least in that lil kid's mind. You know?

I dissagree. I think there is something of a herd mentallity. I also dissagree with how you say "people without a faith [I'm assuming you meant in 'god' or some form of higher power] will follow anything, but a faith." Maybe, for some people. I think it's good to think we don't know... it KEEPS us thinking. And thinking is always good.

Being set in something so earthly as organized religion.... just seems like you're closing your mind like a book, right at the most interestings chapters about spirituality, and "what-if"


People don't have to live in America, no. But if you ask me, America could do with a dose of compassion and understanding. And much less "god is watching us, hallelujia. We win!" Faith should be a private thing, and the founding fathers had the right idea, seperating it from the ideas of how this country should be run.

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Yeah, just look at our founding father's all deist pretty much. Thomas Jefferson one of the biggest athiest. Marriage is and should be a right for every single human being. Why the fuck not? Why should it not be a right? by law??? Our country has become a dellusion country followed by bullshit religions. over 17% percent are non-religious I say it's time for a revolution!